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Car Washes, Flex Industrial, and the Alpha Strategy with John Azar

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Ed Mathews:

Greetings and salutations, Real Estate Undergrounders. It is Ed Mathews with Real Estate Underground. Thank you for making us a part of your day. If you are getting value out of our podcasts, I would love to hear from you, but also to make sure that you follow us. With me today is John Azar.

Ed Mathews:

He's with Peak15 Capital. We discovered John. He was actually at a conference that we were going to attend and unfortunately couldn't. Fortunately, he was kind enough to join us here on the show, so I can pick his brain directly instead. John, welcome to the show and thanks for joining us.

John Azar:

Thanks, Ed. Appreciate it

Ed Mathews:

J ohn. You've had a really interesting career. I'm going to let you tell your story.

Ed Mathews:

Why don't you introduce yourself to the folks that don't know about you and then we'll get into it?

John Azar:

John Azar, I'm founder and CEO of P15 Capital. We're a private equity shop based in Charlotte, North Carolina. We have an office in LA. We have national coverage. We work with sponsors, operators, developers, to provide them liquidity solution for their deals. We run a fund that invests directly with sponsors and developers and operators. On the GP side, we bring alongside one of our institutional programmatic partners. We have a stable of about 15 or 20 really tight institutional partners that we bring alongside of us on our deals. We help fund their entire capital stack. We fund the equity stack, most of the GP equity and the LP equity.

John Azar:

As far as background is concerned, I've been in commercial real estate since 2005. P15 Capital is my third. Launched it in the middle of the pandemic in 2020 after starting to sunset previous portfolio that my brother and I ran here in the Southeast concentrating on multifamily, mostly value-add. We transacted a few thousand units between 2013 and 2020 pretty actively. We still have a joint portfolio together Started sunsetting that portion in 2020 and launched P15 in 2020.

Ed Mathews:

Let me ask you what did you see in the marketplace that was changing in the 1920 range that made you think that it was time to move on?

John Azar:

It's both. I have to say. It's a combination of luck, foresight and a little bit of strategic planning. If we had the crystal ball, we actually probably would have held on for another couple of years with some of the assets, but still we were transacting at a really great time and 2020 seemed to be at the right, opportune time. After the pandemic started, we had different visions on what we wanted to continue to do. My brother's older than I am. He wanted to take some chips off the table. The opposite of me. I wanted to not ease up, so we launched BigTripGina at that time. It was a combination of timing and opportunity and strategic thinking.

Ed Mathews:

It's interesting when you start to make those transitions. Sometimes it is a little bit of luck Me. I would have taken credit for being prescient, but I appreciate your integrity.

John Azar:

Yeah, I wish I can take the credit for being a Nostradamus on this, but I'm not. Obviously, we study the market on a regular basis and we try to do some guesswork. We try strategically picking out our choices, predictions and analysis, but we're all sometimes stabbing in the dark at some point or another. Of course, they're managed risks. If you prepare right, even your stabs in the dark could still be okay and not as bad.

Ed Mathews:

Let's talk about what you're seeing in the marketplace these days. I think you alluded to the fact that obviously, multifamily has been a big part of your portfolio. Did I hear right or did I infer correctly that?

Ed Mathews:

you're also looking at other asset classes these days.

John Azar:

Yeah, our fund here at Peak15, we are asset type agnostic large extent. There's a couple of type of assets that we are going to add in our next fund that our current fund does not have. We don't currently cover student housing, senior living, storage, commercial office. That we will likely cover in our next fund that's launching in Q2 of next year, this current fund that we have multifamily value add. We have ground up development. We have BTR BTS built to sell communities. We even have a portfolio of car washes in our portfolio right now. We have a variety of assets and we are looking at an industrial flex industrial fund. Next fund we'll have as a type to perspective.

Ed Mathews:

Are you primarily working with operators known operators that you've built relationships with over the years in the various asset groups and letting them do what they do, or can you walk me through your business model?

John Azar:

It is a broad approach, but there is a method to the madness. There always is. The method to the madness is yes, we work with identifiable, trusted operators sponsors, developers that we've known for years, and if we don't know them, we do very heavy due diligence on them before we invest with them. The method to the madness is that we are an alpha driven fund for our investors. That means you have a fiduciary duty to deliver results and profits to your investors, and those results and profits may not always come from middle of the fairway multifamily assets. There are a lot of funds out there that stick to their investing parameters of multifamily and even very specifically in different kinds of specific type of multifamily. We don't believe that is going to be the best utilization of our funds. In order for us to get not just the biggest profits but also cashflow for our investors, there's a balance of cashflow profits that you always have to. As a fund manager, you have to be aware of.

John Azar:

Some of the projects that you're going to buy are going to be great for cashflow. Other projects you're going to invest in are going to be great for future profits. Our development deals that we're investing in with developers are going to be great for future profits. Our development deals that we're investing in with developers are going to be great profit generators for the future. They're not going to be so much for cash flow. Value-add assets that are well-managed, hopefully profitable, are going to generate some cash flow.

John Azar:

Same story with our car washes. Our car washes generate probably the highest amount of cash flow, more than I can ever duplicate from any multi-family holding we have. There's a method to demand this, as we are alpha driven, it means you have to go after results and in order for you to deliver those results you got to be comfortable with in your portfolio. As long as you are prepared and have the capacity in-house to be able to effectively analyze, underwrite those deals and understand the mechanics, understand the entry, understand the exit, understand the assumptions really well, you would be doing your investors in this favor if you don't have the kind of diversification if you're calling yourself an alpha fund, which is what we are, that's the short of it.

Ed Mathews:

It's been a very dynamic few years in this industry, and taking what the market gives is actually prudent. It's interesting that the mix that you have fully expected laundromats to be in there as well.

John Azar:

So the only requirement is that we have to have a real asset behind everything we buy, and the car washes that we invest in are with land, so they are not just the operating company, but they're also the land value itself. That's going to be an important aspect to us.

Ed Mathews:

Yeah, it's the only way that we own them is if we own the building too, so they're usually standalones as opposed to strip mall plays. But yeah, it's an interesting balance, right, because you have development projects that aren't going to deliver cashflow for years, and then, if you're an alpha driven fund, your investors are expecting a monthly or quarterly dividend in some cases, I assume, and the balance of cash flowing assets versus long-term plays has got to be very challenging, Especially in a market.

John Azar:

So that's what they're expecting. The cash flow is there, but it's not the main concentration. The main concentration is the profit, Because in this business you make your money on liquidity events. That's where we make our real money. You make cash flow. 6% to 10% is not going to make anybody rich, but that's not generational wealth money. Your generational wealth money comes from the liquidity events that you're going to have, even on stabilized assets.

Ed Mathews:

He sent me a deal it was probably a couple three months ago and I went through it and I'm an Irishman, right. So the way my brain's wired is I see mushroom clouds on the horizon first and then I figure out how do we manage that. The deeper I got into it, the more people I talked about I got really excited about it because it's a very interesting space. It's a rapidly growing space and it seems like institutional buyers are really interested in this kind of space. Now what are the market dynamics that are pushing growth in that particular space?

John Azar:

The flex industrial in particular is really interesting to us. That's why it's appealing to institutional investors as well On a large scale, because they want the big box industrial, not necessarily the flex small industrial. The flex small industrial is really interesting to us because it operates almost the same way a multifamily asset. You're diversified in your risk when you look at a flex industrial. You have a building that has, let's call it, 50,000 square feet or maybe 100,000 square feet, but you have 10, 15, 20 tenants, 30 tenants in the building that you have to contend with. So if you lose one or two, it might take you a couple of months to replace them, but it's one or two. You're not losing your entire cashflow.

John Azar:

If you have a gigantic, one of those big box industrial which are becoming less and less appealing to us because of the onslaught of a lot of the big corporations like the Amazons and all that, that's great for them, but they hold the power. Because they hold the power, they can come in and tell you I'm going to pay this and that's what you're going to take and that's it. And then if you lose one of those tenants God forbid, you're screwed. You've got to replace one tenant to take over 200,000 square feet of space and not a whole lot of. There's a very finite amount of clients that are going to be taking that top of the space from you. That's why the flex industrial have become a real attraction to us and has become very popular among a lot of our investment circles.

John Azar:

For that exact approach Diversification of tenancies, easier to manage and underwrite because you underwrite it again the same way you would underwrite, similar to how you'd underwrite multifamily I know If you're used to underwriting multifamily or self-storage similar to that to some extent and the profits are it depends on. You've got to be aware of where what the market is. It's a market driven, obviously neighborhood driven, especially if it's newer, the newer product in flex industrial and attractive right. Who are you able to fit in those and what retrofits are you going to be able to offer your tenants? You have to take all of those in consideration when you're looking at flex industrial.

Ed Mathews:

Yeah, one of the things that we've been looking at is the contractors. The two spaces that we're actually looking at right now are either perspectively or inhabited predominantly by plumbers, electricians, general contractors and entities that need to store their materials. They try and buy in bulk, at least the stuff that they usually use regularly. A lot of these spaces that we're looking at have office space up front, like four, five, 600 square feet of office space to operate from as well, so it's an interesting play. I think it's got the positives of multifamily in terms of demand, in terms of rent growth, in terms of opportunity. You can diversify. Dealing with commercial tenants is usually easier than dealing with residents.

John Azar:

Yeah, especially if you're doing triple net leases, very easy maintenance from a management standpoint.

Ed Mathews:

Keep the water running, keep the lights on, keep everything connected. Yeah, and in terms of your view on car washes, obviously a huge cashflow play, but an appreciation play as well.

John Azar:

Yes, there is an appreciation play. Of course it may not be as meaty multifamily or like a ground of development, but the appreciation play is there. It is a little bit more conservative because you buy flex industrial space. Are you going to sell it for double what you bought it for? Probably not, but it depends on the area. Anything's possible. In general, you're not underwriting to those standards. You're not underwriting that you're going to make 100% or you're going to sell it for 50%. But there is an appreciation play, especially if the area is up and coming. That's why it's really important for you to do a geographic deep dive in what's around.

John Azar:

Who's coming? The same with anything in real estate Path of progress. That's exactly right. You have to understand who is coming here. What are they doing? What is the area going to look like as opposed to what it looks like now? Who is it going to be appealing for in five years? That's the golden rule with anything you buy that's not just industrial. The same thing with multifamily.

John Azar:

You always have to think of your exit. I always tell people you got to think of who is going to buy this from you. What is the profile of the buyer in three years or four years or five years. If you can narrow down the profile of that buyer in three to four years, five years you're going to do a better job in underwriting the deal now, because you're just really reverse engineering the process. If you're saying to yourself in five years, I want some big box or a big corporation or a hedge fund to come and buy my asset, okay, what are they going to be looking for in five years in this area and can you deliver that, you think, in the next three to four to five years, while you're holding this asset?

Ed Mathews:

Stephen Covey was right Start with the end in mind. The fact it's really hard to run a business operation when your plan is you're going to miss. There's no way you can hit a target you haven't defined.

John Azar:

You're absolutely right If you have a target, you can't just hope is not a method and it's not just a book for me, it's a lifestyle for me, how we conduct our business. It's a company motto for us and it's something I drill in the head of everybody that works for us. Don't tell me something about a business plan or numbers or underwriting. Don't ever start that sentence with I hope. Tell me why you have these numbers, what are the definitions of why you're delivering these projections, and let's plan accordingly. Let's put the right pieces of the puzzle in place. You're not relying on hope, because that's not a strategy.

Ed Mathews:

One of the things that we were talking about offline is your focus on helping other investors get into your space. I understand you. This amazing course that we're launching in September.

John Azar:

And we're doing the launch via a three-day bootcamp that we're also going to announce on social media soon, in the next couple of weeks, and the course is going to be at your pace course. Go online and access it. And it's a multifamily course, from soup to nuts, essentially talking about from identification, market research to acquisitions, to capitalizing your deal, to talk about capital raising, to talk about preparing for an institutional buy, to exit, to hopefully get the project to. So it's a full cycle course on multifamily. Totally a pretty product.

Ed Mathews:

In terms of the ideal student. Where are they in their career?

John Azar:

They could be someone who is getting into the business.

John Azar:

They want to get into multifamily, or maybe they're doing something else in real estate and they want to get into multifamily, or they are already in multifamily and they just want to improve their skills, maybe think of their company or approach to business in a slightly different way, because we have a different approach to the business.

John Azar:

Our approach is more build a machine that could eventually become institutionally driven, because that's been always our approach. We are preparing owner operators who are in the business to become better operators and better owners, sponsors that could get them to the institutional level, or prepare people who have never been in the business and help them understand the business and get into the business. The other audience could be investors or potential investors that are looking into the business but they don't really want to get into the business, but they want to understand it as an investor before they invest with an owner, operator or sponsor. It's a diversified set of audience and we're probably going to give out some scholarships to young folks if they have an interest in the business. I love seeing younger generation getting in and that's hopefully going to be part of us giving back. Awesome Love seeing younger generation getting in, and that's hopefully going to be part of us giving back.

Ed Mathews:

Awesome, let's get into the final five and then we can land this plane. You've been very successful over the years. Multiple companies congratulations again. I assume that the mortgages are taken care of and the college educations are taken care of, and car payments and all the things, and yet you still get up in the morning on Monday and go to work with hair on fire, so to speak. What's that drive? What's your purpose?

John Azar:

Building businesses is an interesting experience. It's almost like raising kids. Your work is never done, but you have to build your business to the stage where you feel proud of the product. For me, that is continuing work. I think the time I stopped working on something and stopped pursuing growing a company either this company or the next company probably when I'm like 90 years old, then I probably can't even see straight there's no reason why I can't continue to work that way. For me, as cheesy as that sounds, I build my business, especially Peak15. We're building Peak15 for the next generation, the young partners I have now in the business who are hopefully going to be leading the business and taking over my role in a few years, and then hopefully their families, and hopefully we can create a product or a company that we can all be proud of, that can be passed along, and in order to do that requires work. I can't just be content with what you just described. The car is paid for, the house is paid for Contentment is very elusive.

Ed Mathews:

A buddy of mine once asked me when are you going to retire? I was like what do you mean? Never, I've never retired.

John Azar:

Me spending eight hours a day on a golf course. That sounds terrible for me.

Ed Mathews:

Yeah, when I left the Silicon Valley took a few months off. Two weeks in, I'm following my wife around the grocery store and she's like you need to go find something else to do. I'm like, okay, done, accelerated our plans and off we went. I can't ever imagine turning it off, even if I'm 90, as long as I know my own name and I can still do math in my head accurately, I don't see me stopping, unless I get to the stage where my grandkids are feeding me dog food, then that's probably where I've heard.

Ed Mathews:

So you've mentioned mentoring and how you really get a lot out of that. I think it warms your soul, and so I'm curious about the mentors you've had in your life.

John Azar:

What's the best advice you ever got and who gave it to you? Gosh, one of my really early mentors told me. When I broke my teeth in industry and financial investment, I brokered shop like Morgan Stanley and Royal Bank of Canada. I was an equity trader there and then from there, broke up into establishing my first firm in Boston. We did structured finance, investment banking.

John Azar:

One of my earliest mentors from that era told me don't worry about what the market is doing. The market is going to do whatever it's going to do. As long as you're in the market and you're putting your best foot forward every single day, you're never going to have to worry about what the market is doing because you're in it. You're always in it and you're all going to find you're either exits or entry into deals, just because you are in the market and you have the pulse on a day-to-day basis and people are going to see that and they're going to respect that and you're eventually going to be totally fine. The first piece of advice that I always tell people don't worry what the market is doing. The market is going to do whatever it's going to do. It's going to go up, it's going to go down. There's going to be pressures. There's going to be some things coming into favor, there's going to be some things out of favor. But just be in a market and focus on what you do best. Stick to your ethos that you know in your heart that you can work on, and the deals will show themselves. You just have to be ready when they do show themselves. But you can't be ready when you say I'm going to take a step off and take a year off the market. Then you're going to miss out.

John Azar:

That's the first piece of advice that an early mentor told me. My second piece of advice that another mentor, which is my brother actually my older brother. We ran together the previous company, tipic15, because prior to me joining him on doing Mac Venture Partners, probably someone I looked up for from an entrepreneurial standpoint because he was the first entrepreneur I ever, my dad was the first entrepreneur and then my brother. He just always finds ways to somehow become. He got into technology. He had three, four different kinds of businesses before we got into real estate.

John Azar:

His early advice to me was always underwrite for the worst. You'll always be okay If you always underwrite for the worst. Prepare for the worst, but expect the best. Always underwrite for the worst case scenario. When you get there, maybe underwrite even lower than that. This way, when you get for the worst case scenario, when you get there, maybe underwrite even lower than that. This way, when you get to the market conditions where it's completely against you, you're fine because you already expected that you're going to have a crap sandwich at some point. That's where you underwrote. If you underwrote a crap sandwich, then once you get it you're like oh, I was expecting that when the market turns up, you're pleasantly surprised, right?

John Azar:

was expecting that when the market turns up, you're pleasantly surprised. Right, that's right. It's the old adage of under-promised, never delivered. That's what we try to do all the time, and so these are the two best pieces of advice I've gotten from mentors.

Ed Mathews:

Both excellent. I fundamentally believe that we learn more from our mistakes than we do from our successes, and so I'm curious about a decision you'd like to have back over the years that didn't go your way, that you want to talk about. How'd you?

John Azar:

handle it. What'd you do? I wouldn't be an entrepreneur if I didn't say I had so many bad decisions. But I also had a lot of bad decisions and bad choices. Unfortunately. We learn from. Hopefully we learn from. That's a positive part about them. I would give an example of even a recent deal that we tried to do a couple of years ago. The mistake that I made in that deal is that I didn't listen to my gut.

John Azar:

Part of our criteria now in our fund, when we fund sponsors, developers, when we invest with them or co-invest with them, is, above and beyond the underwriting, above and beyond the numbers, above and beyond the bricks and mortars of the property that we're getting into, there has to be a human element that we're comfortable with. So obviously we underwrite the sponsors themselves. We have to know their experience, their knowledge, what kind of deals they've done in that market and all that kind of stuff. But after all of that, you've got to, at the end of the day, be comfortable with the person that you are dealing with. That is something that is hugely important to me and will always be important to me, and that's something that we started to inculcate in the company culture. On a day-to-day basis. I don't sign off on any deals unless one of the principals have met in person with the other principals of the company that we're investing with or go investing with.

John Azar:

In that instance I did not go with my gut. My gut actually told me in that deal that I just mentioned, my gut told me not to invest with him. There's something off about this particular gentleman and I couldn't put my fingers on it. I even took the phone and called my partner, francisco, and I said man, I just don't something about him that just doesn't sit well with me and he's like, but the deal is great, the deal is fantastic. I said I understand the deal is fantastic, but I just don't like him as an individual. And I was right.

John Azar:

Unfortunately, the deal didn't materialize. Thank God it didn't materialize, but we ended up losing a little bit of deposit money on a deal because it went sideways because of him, not just because of him. The seller didn't disclose certain things and there were some value laws that we couldn't make up. That was a large part of it. That's something that is a huge lesson for me and that is something that we call today in our culture that we have to have a comfort with the human being that we're dealing with. You're getting married, right, we are. We're getting married for the next three to five years and there are no room for egos or childish games or anything like that, and if somebody's doing that, then you're not going to have a good time with them for the next three to five years and when you're dating, so to speak.

Ed Mathews:

To extend the metaphor everybody's on their best behavior. So if your radar is going off, then what happens if the market changes or the deal changes in some way? You got to know that you're in cahoots with somebody that you get along with and can work with.

John Azar:

That's right, regardless of the numbers. We always say a good deal can go sideways really fast with a bad partner. But even a bad deal can be saved and become a success with a good partner Because you can collaborate, you can find ways, but with a bad partner, forget it.

Ed Mathews:

I'm curious about how you take in information. Tell me about the book that's on your nightstand, either virtual or otherwise, and what authors do you pay?

John Azar:

attention to Books on my nightstand. I'm always told to just pare down the books that are on my nightstand because they overflow and I have to sometimes add them to the library and take some books off the nightstand. So I'm very ADD. So, in order for me to use the ADD to my advantage, I read multiple books at the same time instead of just one book, because sometimes I get bored by reading one book. I read 20, 30 pages, 50 pages. I put it down and start another book and read another 20, 30 pages and go back to another book.

John Azar:

Right now I'm actually rereading a couple of books that I've read in the past, but I like them and I want to refresh my mind about them. I'm rereading you may have known it. It's called Atomic Habits. I'm sure you know that book. It's one of my favorite books and I'm rereading that because we can all use some rushing up on a day-to-day harvest that we can do to be successful on a day-to-day basis. I'm reading a book which I meant to read for a long time called the Startup. It's Reid Hoffman, who is the founder of LinkedIn.

John Azar:

On my nightstand I have another book I'm reading called how I'm Doing. I forgot the name of the author, but it's essentially 40 conversations with yourself that you can have, daily conversations that you can have with yourselves. It's called how Am I Doing and it's one of those contemplative books that more philosophical in nature but really important to have these conversations with ourselves. I try to do a meditation on a day-to-day basis. I try to get up in the morning and write down my intentions for the day or for the week and that really helps me stay focused and more zen in my day. I suppose doesn't always work. Not saying it's a perfect system, but it's something.

Ed Mathews:

We got to try. At the very least you're stacking the deck in your favor. Yeah, I've got a plan every morning when I walk in, but it's still Mike Tyson thing. The right cross comes and the day goes like to plan. I'm done at lunchtime. Fantastic, now I can focus on my team, the company, whatever else, partners, whatever. But occasionally I'm there at seven eight o'clock because I had a fire to fight. One of the other things that I'm always interested in is how I suspect I know the answer given on how you answered something else, but I'm curious how you define success in your life.

John Azar:

Success is taking care of the people you love around you and making them a success. If you are empowering others that are in your circle whether it's not just family, it's people that you surround yourself with, that are part of your life on a daily basis or part of your business and if you are a source of that empowerment for them and help them elevate themselves and, at some point in the future, help them get to their hopes and dreams and leave that as somewhat of a legacy whether they're your kids or your partners, maybe your mentees that to me is always a huge success. I'm not just a benevolent organization here, so we're not doggedly pursuing success and profits on a day-to-day basis. There's a value exchange there. There's a value exchange a hundred percent. That to me is success. Success when someone hears your name or your company name they say, oh, my goodness, he's a great guy or I'd love to do business with them. They are fantastic. I've never dealt with anybody there that I didn't like. That's success. The trappings of a luxurious life stuff means nothing.

Ed Mathews:

Yeah, I've yet to meet somebody who is approaching the latter part of their life and thinking I wish I had more stuff.

John Azar:

Exactly. I wish I had more time with my kids or my grandkids, or I wish I spent better time with my wife or husband, I wish I traveled more, I wish I experienced the world, I wish I provided better experiences for my family, or whatever it might be. That's the definition of success, hopefully at a stage of life. I'm not in a hurry to get there, but when I get to that stage of life I hope that I can have fulfillment in those answers.

Ed Mathews:

When you're not talking about real estate. What do you enjoy doing?

John Azar:

I am an avid outdoorsman. A law of the outdoors in all its shapes and forms, but more importantly, the outdoors that involves forests and mountains. That's what Peak 15 has before it used to be called Mount Everest. I love anything outdoors. Point me to a forest and a mountain and I'm there. The beaches are okay. They don't really do it for me as much. I spend a couple of days at the beach and I'm bored. I'm not a beach guy. I see the value of a beach for a couple of days, but then after that I'm done, I'm more. Mountains, forests get me among the trees and I'm in my happy place. I try to do that on a regular basis, as much as I can.

Ed Mathews:

Excellent, John. If somebody wants to learn more about you or Peak15 or your upcoming course, you're speaking at several events coming up in the fall. What's the best way to learn more?

John Azar:

about you? Absolutely. We're also still accepting investors in our fund. I just wanted to throw that plug in. People can find me online. They can email me directly. Azar at peak15capcom A-Z-A-R at peak, as in mountain peak one five cap as in capitalcom. Azar at peak15capcom Or go to our website at peak15cap. com. I'm also on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is probably the number one platform I use on a day-to-day basis. I don't have Facebook and Instagram on my phone. I only have LinkedIn on my phone. The only way that I interact on social media is LinkedIn. I phones. The only way that I interact on social media is LinkedIn. I'm not much of a social media hound.

Ed Mathews:

That's what I'm marketing folks to be a producer of social media, not a consumer.

John Azar:

You'll be. I should be able to ask me we sent you a message on Instagram. Why don't you get it? I'm like cause I don't have Instagram. I probably saw a post from one of my marketing guys that did a post for me. That doesn't mean I'm always watching my Instagram.

Ed Mathews:

John, thank you so much for your time today. It's really been a pleasure to speak with you and I wish you continued good fortune, but for now, thank you very much.

John Azar:

Sounds amazing, Thank you.

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